This conversion cylinder will allow you to convert your 1858 Remington Pietta .44 cal. [2] The Remington Army revolver is large-framed revolver in .44 caliber with an 8-inch barrel length. I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. Tsk tsk. If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. On the other hand if you order over the Internet, there is a very high probability that at least one U.S. alphabet agency will have a record of your activity. You should have. Either way, a good dose of lube also helps keep the black powder fouling moist and pliable, and easier to clean out. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. Today you can quickly convert your own Remington 1858, without first paying off some big corporation, by merely dropping in a cartridge conversion cylinder two popular versions are the Taylors R&D and Kirst conversions. Pietta, Steel Frame, 8" Oct. Barrel, Black Powder, Traditions 1858 Remington New Army Revolver, .44 Cal. In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. You could become the next Farinelliif youre lucky. Originally catalogued as a Revolving Breech Rifle, the Model 1858 came in .36 or .44 caliber, weighing 6 pounds and sporting Remington's signature "Topstrap," solid frame. This Stainless Steel Conversion Cylinder will allow you to convert your 1858 Remington Pietta .44 cal. Traditions Traditions 1858 Remington New Army .44 Cal. 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Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. . document.write(theDate.getFullYear()) The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. See 18 U.S.C. The Pietta has nice craftsmanship, only required a little stoning on the action to make it smooth. Wonder Wads .44/.45 Cal. Snap for revolver retainer and easy removal from your belt. No rust on my guns! I have done extensive testing of Black Powder guns and have a webpage with my collected Energy Data here: http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html. When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. Jim, you mentioned the Ruger Old Army , 44 cal. STAINLESS STEEL FRAME. As I got older and learned about black powder, the Remington pre-cartridge design just intuitively looked stronger. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. 12" Oct. Barrel Buffalo. Bullshit!!! if you wish you can contact your local ATF to find your answer. He has a bee in his bonnet, that he is the ONLY person in the world who knows how to correctly clean black Powder revolvers. For more information and to see quantity in stock, click the "More Info" button. The Other Type of Percussion Revolver obtainable on to-days Market, Copies of the Colt Design, are by comparison A very poor second. On opening day he is in his blind and simply waits for a really good buck to come along. And a .50 sabot over 100 grains of Pyrodex is a humane, instant-kill deer load out to 150 yards. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. LOW STOCK. Remington 1858 Pietta Imitation Jigged Buffalo Horn Grips RM87GB Remington 1858 Pietta Ivory-Like Grips, Snake in Bush. 44 Caliber - .454 Dia. After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. EMF offers this piece of history in your choice of brass, steel or stainless steel. When emailing or calling sellers direct, please mention that you saw their listing on GunsInternational.com, Muzzleloading Revolvers - Modern & Replica. The patent date is 1858. And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. EMF Company Copyright 2009-2023 All rights reserved. Come visit us at: 1858remington.com Johnnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378, yup agree totally been doin bp for almost a half century myself n this is an excellent way to clean them your guy needs to foam elsewhere apparently that foam might dribble onto a bun n rust right through it to the table underneath after all foam is water lol. Wanted a steel frame version of this for years! The 6-shot revolver has perfect balance, precise aim, and dependability. Made of top grain cowhide natural tanned. In between, he was granted US Patent No. TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK! Designed to compliment our Civil War holsters. My personal recipe for 1858 fun is 25 grains of holy black with a .454 diameter round lead ball seated firmly atop it. Penality fees may be applied to cover credit card account fees. I had one of the Pietta 1858 Remingtons and while I enjoyed shooting it and learning about the history and evolution of firearms, the cleaning requirements are intense. Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. The one thing I really like is that the entire process of loading is actually fun, whereas for my M&P45 loading a mag isnt something to get excited about. Precision Swaged There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. V2-F3 Barrel Length: 8 Bore condition: Good. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov. I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. I bought a pietta model 1858 used and still havent fired it yet. I love it. It is a black powder revolver with a 12-inch barrel. and 12 ga. Beautiful Firearm One of the most heavily used revolvers of the Civil War, with about 106,000 purchased by the U.S. Government, Remington's New Model Army, now commonly referred to as the 1858 Army, was the stiffest competitor to Colt's 1860 Army model. These parts will work for the following models made by Pietta: 1858 New Model Stainless Army & Navy, 1858 Stainless Target Model, 1858 Stainless Sheriff, and 1858 Stainless Buffalo Model. The reason is that .44 is the muzzle diameter. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. Traditions 1858 Remington New Army .44 Cal.Steel Frame, 12" Oct. Barrel Buffalo $420.00 iPhone iPad Notice IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE CHECKING OUT USING YOUR iPHONE OR iPAD, PLEASE GIVE US A CALL: 205.533.8595 ----------------------------------- We Do Not Accept PayPal PayPal "Prohibits" The Sale of Nice! Ive got an Uberti rep with the brass frame, so loading above 25g of triple eff aint recommended. Dont touch it unless the gun is pointing in a safe direction cause there is is no transfer bar. Survival AR-7 Rifle, http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-revolvers/1851-1861-navy-collection/1851-navy-steel-36-5-octagonal-barrel-steel-case-hardened-frame-brass-backstrap-trigger-guard-model-002.html, Johnnie Roper (Gunslinger9378 on the 1858Remington.com Forum. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. Which further compromised the already doubtfull Accuracy of the Colt Style revolver! I load as follows: and practise with that heavy load! Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). Designed to be the future of revolvers, the top strap, full frame design made this revolver one of the strongest available. Please click on the "Full Description" button for additional information and read the Caution Statements. You have entered an incorrect email address! I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. Thanks. Fits 30" - 46" waist. WARNING: Black powder firearms cannot be shipped to Canada or New Jersey, See Footnotes for the following locations: *New York City; Bronx, Kings, Nassau, New York, Queens, and Richmond; **Illinois - ***Michigan. All-natural ingredients season the barrel interior, while significantly reducing fouling and corrosion. Also, using silicon-impregnated caliber-specific wads between powder and ball forecloses having to smear grease into the chamber mouth re: chain firing. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. Looks a lot like the Ruger. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. Remington 1858 Pietta Grips Does Not Fit Remington 1858 Uberti Disclaimer: All Stainless Firearms Have Variations. Fits 30" - 46" waist. Get an UpLula magazine loader. *Will ship to therest of New York State, contingent on state and local requirements. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. My dad bought one of these (pretty sure its the same thing) with an 8 barrel. 1 choice when it comes to caring for any muzzleloader. DO use a stout load. Me too. (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) The conversion cylinders may be purchased only through an FFL, as the change makes the pistol no longer a relic as it fires readily available modern ammo. The 1851 Navy, produced from 1851-1872 was the most famous of the cap-and-ball era. Or even from New York? Buffalo. The bucks are off limits. Max load? The barrel is 7 1/2". Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. Thats not meat harvesting. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? I had to put down an estimated 350- 400 pound bear that can in my camp and got into it with my dog. We recently got our reader-responsive electronic monitoring and drone surveillance program up and running. By the end of this week my "brass frame" Bison will be here, and that will make 6 1858s that I own! Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. Well its interesting still. Perhaps not as easily dismantled for cleaning the Remington 1858 was full framed and capable of bearing under greater abuse than the open-top design of the Colt. He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. .44 CALIBER. Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. The 1858 Remmy is my favorite gun. If you slip when cocking the hammer you can set a cap off. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. See " More Info" for details. 3 per pack. I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. If you do this you dont need a wad. The percussion caps are a standard size. Youre only hunting if you sharpen a stick and use it as a spear. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. Oh MY when I fired the first revlver chamber flash fired the shotgun too, with a full ounce of buckshot. The 1858 Buffalo became very popular with shooters, hunters and soldiers due to its rugged frame construction and excellent accuracy. For more information and to see quantity in stock, click the "More Info" button. The Pistol was so designed, that the hammer when cocked, would suck back with it, the remnants of the cap just fired, which more often than not, would follow the principle of Gravity, so ably demonstrated by Sir Isaac Newton, and fall into the Yawning Gap, the cocked hammer revealed, So when the trigger was pressed for the next shot, there would be a sort of, Scrunch, sound, as the cap was chewed up and mashed by the falling hammer, effectivley jamming the revolver! Precision Swagged This is however, my first Bison (Buffalo). 5-1/2" Barrel, Steel Frame. Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1858 Remington (and some things you didnt!). With 20 grains, it shoots like a charm, so much so that Ive never loaded it any heavier. And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. The Carbine largely relied on the Model . Dixie Cub, Super Cub and PA Rifles. Loved the pics too. Black finish to match holsters. This 1858 revolver pistol features a tapered octagon barrel, steel frame, brass trigger guard, 6-shot cylinder, fixed sights and two-piece walnut grips. Revolver (.454 Dia. Have fun. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. Fordyce Beals. For powder loads, the .36s usually run 15-20 grains (that is by volume, not by weightso you MUST use a measure), while most loads for .44s that Ive seen (all my guns are .36) are 25 to (max) 35 grains. ). That means that two Colt Peacemakers coming off the line 1 minute apart (11:59PM on Dec 31 1898 and 12:00 AM on Jan 1, 19 99, define the force of the law. Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. The 1858 Remington has safety notches cut into the cylinder in between the nipples, giving the un-cocked hammer a place to rest thats not on a percussion cap. Rated: Brand: F.LLI Pietta. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. 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The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). It is a convenient way to carry your extra conversion or black powder cylinder for ready access. Despite my kill, in my opinion, its not strong enough but fun as a backup which is why I used it. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. iPhone iPad Notice. percussion revolver to a five shot .45 LC cartridge shooting firearm. If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. The Remington 1858 differed from the Colt 1860 Army in that it used a top strap construction that left the cylinder closed in on both the top and bottom, which made the gun more rigid and thus more rugged, but also about fifty cents more to buy (~$12 today, adjusted for inflation). Bah! Red Coats Get Run Off. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. Our governor says that they can melt when shot I have a few black powder guns I have hunted with them for years and have yet seen one melt down .But the Local store here wont order one for you. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). percussion caps are NOT standard size. After just 2 shots it seizes up and wont cock. Youll love it! About 400 ft-lbs Energy. Nazwa: 1858 Remington New Model Army Stainless Steel .44 Wykoczenie: Inox (Stainless Steel) Kaliber: .44 Typ zamka: Kapiszonowy Bben: 6-cio komorowy 1858 Remington Stainless Steel Army .44 8". My dad of course saw them when they were new. One can shoot all day on a pittance. expired in 1857, and the next year, Remington introduced a solid-frame design that was both elegant and reliable. Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. The lead ring around the chamber seems really tight. If paying by Money Order, we can ship to wherever it's legal. The .36 Cal 1851 Navy features a brass backstrap and trigger guard. Some shot high except a .36 Army San Marco Colt 1851 Navy. A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. He would also GIVE to Government Officials, very fine engraved Pistols, beautifully engraved with Silver of Gold, to U.S. If you want to be one of those Youre only hunting if.. people. I wound up selling it shortly thereafter. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. Pietta 1858 Remington, Tiro. 1858 Army - Walnut/Brass .44 cal., has a 8" octagonal blued barrel, brass frame, brass guard, and walnut grip. I took 2 quick shots at about 70 yards (yes, too far, I know) one round hit its head, the deer dropped. A great design of a pistol. First load powder, then press ball. Please check our . could easily have the hammer slip off his thumb, and and fall into the Half-Cock Notch, This almost always broke off a sixteenth of an inch off the tip of the sear, and using this rough edge to fire the piece, made for a very rough trigger release! Description Pietta Hammer (1858) . 100% Wool, 50 per pack The 1858 Remington was one of the major side arms of the Civil War and was the last of the Remington percussion revolvers to be manufactured. The open top revolver needed some work. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time.